It is to my understanding that by applying locks, purifying your nadhis with breathwork, and by keeping your spine straight
with your mind you can move kundalini upward through your chakras.
I've been meditating on this daily for almost a year now and the closest I've come is a feeling like I'm about to float away . .
Feels quite nice. Although it's nothing compared to the psychedelic blasting reports I've heard from people.
I know I need to keep up my work, and I have a long journey ahead of me,
but I'm very curious how you all go about raising your kundalini, what it feels like, what to do...what not to do...et cetera.
I've never been trained by anyone (except for martial arts) and it would help a lot to hear your techniques and wisdom.
I plan on studying it when I move back to San Francisco soon. Until then, your words are greatly appreciated.
peace :]
with your mind you can move kundalini upward through your chakras.
I've been meditating on this daily for almost a year now and the closest I've come is a feeling like I'm about to float away . .
Feels quite nice. Although it's nothing compared to the psychedelic blasting reports I've heard from people.
I know I need to keep up my work, and I have a long journey ahead of me,
but I'm very curious how you all go about raising your kundalini, what it feels like, what to do...what not to do...et cetera.
I've never been trained by anyone (except for martial arts) and it would help a lot to hear your techniques and wisdom.
I plan on studying it when I move back to San Francisco soon. Until then, your words are greatly appreciated.
peace :]
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Re: Kundalini rising
Sat, September 29, 2007 - 6:48 PMIf you've been trained in the Martial Arts you may know the same process {Kundalini} refered to there as "The Grater Kan And Li." And from that perspective I can't recomend highly enough books by; Yang Jwing Ming ~ Mantak Chia, and Dr. Glenn J Morris {he has some of the worst titals to his books, but some of the best info} -
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Re: Kundalini rising
Sun, September 30, 2007 - 2:41 AMi believe we have read alot of books.now we must experience it.afterall if we realise this then its our birthright since all of us are purusha(sons of the cosmic spirit).
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Sun, September 30, 2007 - 2:58 AMnever do I expect.
I've had people talk to me about their experiences,
transcendental ecstacy shooting up their spines, communion with god, oneness, bliss.
that, to me, sounds very psychedelic.
I would like to achieve samadhi naturally.
is there anyone on this forum that can actually do that?
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Re: Kundalini rising
Sun, September 30, 2007 - 9:06 PMfirst let us remember that each individual is different and therefore is going to personify and egocentrize every expereince just a little differently... i know for me the words transendental ecstasy is a little too much: as in it's hard to be open to an experience when you're comparing it to your ideas of what transendental experience is like and all the places yer mind likes to take you on those fun rides...
Not only practicing Pranayam, applying different locks and your posture; you need to be incorporating Kriyas as well... what yoga sets have you been doing and have you done any of them for 40 days? these are great steps to take when really seeking out what your true goal for experience is... I know that you want to "feel" it, your Kundalini energy rising, but what are you going to do with it? what do you want to accomplish with it? what patterns should be broken? what habits are to be left behind?
Sat Kriya is a wonderful kriya for every student...
Sit on your heels with the arms overhead and plams together. Interlace the fingers except for the index fingers, which point straight up. Men cross the right thumb over the left, while women cross the left thumb over the right.
Chant "SAT" and pull the navel point in, chant "NAAM" and relax it. You are naturally breathing when doing this correctly but it may take a little time to build up to the intensity ment for this kriya... So "Sat" breathing in and "NAAM" breathing out...
Continue this for at least 3 minutes (or whatever time is specified in the kriya). Then inhale deeply and apply the Muhlbandh (the Root Lock) and squeeze from the buttocks all the way up your back and continue past the shoulder blades... Mentally, allow the energy to flow through the top of the skull... hold this inhale as long as you can without struggling...
Now Exhale slowly applying the Mahabandh (locking all Roots), hold the energy out for as long as you need to... then Inhale and relax...
I really like this kriya as it is a major mover... Yogi Bahjan says we should at least make this part of our day for at leat 3 minutes if we can't do anything else... you should read more about this Kriya and others at www.3ho.org lots of good info there, including a teachers list from all over the world... I know that when I feel energy move there is no just way to describe it... nor do i want to... but there is no mistaking the energy flow! you are part of it weather you feel it or not! Hope that helps in someway! peace and light~ Ranjeet -
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Sun, September 30, 2007 - 11:14 PMYou know I never really got into doing yoga I was way too busy either helping ppl, working a job, or chilling out in the woods shooting guns& puffing as well as drinking the occasional beer... For the last two years this has been shifting... Like today I was "popping" so much with that energy racing up my spine, woke up this afternoon doing what my friend calls the bridge... My body is jonsing asanas... I never willed this to happen, but it is... When I woke up in this position, I stopped in went into orgasmic bliss, which looked on the outside probably alot like some sorta seizure(went on for about 20 min) til I could get some deep breathing going. I wake up sometimes chanting Om shanti, this shit is kinda scary... The funny thing here is I have never been all high holy... sure I'm a Deadhead, but much more of the tourhead type, extremely grounded and street smart... I'm sitting here now swaying back and forth uncontrollably...
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Sun, September 30, 2007 - 11:25 PMwell i commend you on your discipline.. i'm sure you'll find your groove..
my advice.. is much of what i give to young artists... don't focus so much on technique.. of course it's important.. but the spirit .. it's essence is what will carry you into the next level of your practice.... that's my experience and conversation with others.. I the key in your description is the light headedness you feel... which may be something.. hard to say... it's also hard for there just be an exchange of words here.. maybe wehn you get back into San Fran.. you can be shown some things... Yoga to me is a very experiential thing.. especially kundalini.. easier to show then to say.. anyway.. blessings to you on your journey.. -
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Tue, October 2, 2007 - 12:29 PMkundalini awakenings? isn't that what you guys call this experience?
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Tue, October 2, 2007 - 12:53 PMWell since its difficult to describe, im not sure if it was a kundalini awakening. But after about 3 weeks of solo cultivating(masturbating) without ejaculating(aka drawing) I was meditating as usual and i started to feel this orgasmic energy entering my sacrum area and buzz in my lower spinal region. I could move the energy around my spine and up to my head with attention. Felt like i could almost aid people in opening their kundalini(if thats what this is) or at least send good energy. Lasted like a week until i drank two beers with a buddy which is unfortunately when I felt it dissapear.
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Fri, October 12, 2007 - 4:10 AMi have had numerous experiences of kundalini arousal and awakening, some brief, others lasting several months. but as other people have mentioned it is very personal and does not happen as a result of some technique. sure techniques such as mantras, bhandas or pranayama are useful tools but not necessarily guaranteed to produce lasting or genuine experiences. kundalini arousal can also come as the result of drugs, intense bouts of sex or occasionally physical accidents and psychological traumas.
there are numerous descriptions, so i won't bore anyone with them since i understand they really are quite personal to that individual who enjoys them.
"what is recieved is largely in the nature of the reciever"
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Fri, October 12, 2007 - 7:20 AMvery helpful, thank you.
what can you say about the reports of people feeling a buzz at the top of their head, having out of body experiences, feeling the energy shoot up their spines, seeing visions, etc.
I've had that happen to me but I was on LSD.
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Fri, October 12, 2007 - 7:58 AMNatural.
Don Miguel a wise shaman relates using ethogens to pouring a cup of coffee onto a computer. Your brain and your computer both are running a program, if you pour a cup of coffee on your computer its really not going to help it. He teaches that same can be said about these psychadelics. The best way to learn is by using your own mind. -
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Re: DMT
Fri, October 12, 2007 - 8:03 AMYou already told me that, remember?
And then I said: psychedelics are like giving my computer the internet.
Just an analogy.
That doesn't answer my question at all.
I said people are experiencing things that REMIND me of DMT.
I know they are doing it naturally.
I want some of these people who can to come forward and describe to me their experiences, because as of yet I havn't talked to anyone who can confirm these claims. They sound amazing. And I know it is tantric and possible.
Are you aware that there is DMT in your body?
And the fact that seratonin is almost chemically the same as DMT?
The science here is yet to be explained. I am working toward a link.
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Fri, October 12, 2007 - 9:28 AMtalk about your experiences with Kundalini
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'words' often don't do the experience(s) justice
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Fri, October 19, 2007 - 2:45 PMSo out of the thousands of members of this tribe
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Fri, October 19, 2007 - 2:50 PMIs there some reason you are obsessing on it?
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Fri, October 19, 2007 - 3:10 PMYes there is a reason I am obsessing on it.
I've researched kundalini, talked to people who do kundalini, do kundalini,
and NO ONE I've talked to has been able to personally confirm the transcendental ecstacy that everyone talks about.
I described this in this thread already.
I've reason to believe that Kundalini is poetic as much as it is yogic.
It's great for the body and the mind, that is certain.
If just one person would come forward and explain to me their divine experiences with Kundalini shooting up their spines leaving them in a state of samadhi for days, I would believe it.
All I've seen are tons of people worked up about their own awakenings, and it never happening like they say it does.
It's kind of funny.
I like Kundalini yoga,
but it is nowhere near as psychedelic as people describe.
MAYBE IT IS!
It's supposed to be.
Can any of you confirm?
So far, no one.
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Fri, October 19, 2007 - 3:14 PMit's very personal
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Fri, October 19, 2007 - 3:18 PMMary,
that doesn't help at all.
I know it's personal,
so personal that NO ONE can describe it to me.
All meditation is personal, yoga too.
Even if we do it in a group
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Fri, October 19, 2007 - 4:29 PMI'm just waiting for someone to come along with experience . .
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I'm guessing that the only person's experience that will mean anything to you, in practical terms, is your own
love all-ways,
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Re: Kundalini
Fri, October 19, 2007 - 3:43 PMWell Ik, If you hunt back a few months into some threads, there are a couple of links to external sites that offer info on such awakenings and risings and "support" in experiencing these things.
However, reading through them, it would appear that any physiological phenomenon one might experience or any mental or emotional aberration that is distinct from some plodding, sheepish and pedestrian sort of existence and consciousness must of course be a Kundalini awakening or rising of some sort.
Now, what should be implicitly obvious in my previous statement is that I largely believe such projections are very well-intentioned but a bit naive, but I guess if one chooses to believe what they do, they will, regardless of whatever anyone else might say. There are innumerable species of said creatures all over Tribe. There are some who believe that anything that is different than the status quo or that transports them out of their "normal" state of awareness must be Magic, and/or God talking to them, or some variation thereof.
Then of course there any number of gurus who would be happy to explain it all and guide our respective sorry asses into a higher level of awareness....................for free if you are a good little dumpling a spread the word, or, for several thousand dollars if you can be persuaded to part with it as part of some "Love Donation."
Could be: maybe the gods are magicians and tricksters and jokesters and we're just silly lumps of clay being duped into doing weird and silly things like work for a living.
One of the first things my first teacher told me was to not become overly consumed with all of the audio-visual, physio-mental-emote fireworks displays that are often invariably part of practicing KY. I haven't.
Speaking as someone who has been doing KY for 6 years, well, it is a personal journey, and one I don't feel inclined just now to be poetic about. I will say that it has been extremely beneficial to me in largely sublime ways over the years and greatly "informs" my ever deepening understanding of my Self, Ms Universe, and the relationships between phenomena percolating everywhere beneath the surface of the Matrix we slum about in, in our daily toil.
Find a good teacher and be committed to your practice...and finding your own way in your own time in the manner best suited to you.
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Re: Kundalini
Fri, October 19, 2007 - 3:52 PMThanks for taking the time to reply.
I've been following this tribe for over a year now
and what you just described to me sounds like any yogic practice done with dedication.
I know how good Kundalini yoga is for you, it's an amazing way to scramble your unconsciousness and attune your body in harmony with the rest of the universe.
Yet
still
there's no evidence of samadhi.
Just a little taste.
To achieve such a saint-hood state,
you're going to have to go into a cave for days.
I thought Kundalini yoga was a pathway to this natural samadhi
but...I've yet to talk to anyone who can confirm so.
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Re: Kundalini
Fri, October 19, 2007 - 4:11 PMMaybe it's like a "Secret Samadhi" to borrow a rose by another name?
Ironically, the few people I have met that genuinely "reflect" or "possess" the qualities you would think one might "have" on some rarified and golden road have not really been committed to or identified with one tradition or another. I'm sure that there others who believe otherwise. They have also been very down to earth humans, with their own quirks and flaws and eccentricities.
I have no interest in living in a cave, at least for an extended period of time, unless it's with some megagoddess in a tropical island paradise cave away from the riff raff of humanity that appears very intent on destroying itself in which case she and I will have to repopulate the planet.
It seems that ideally, KY helps you go through the day, the week, the year and your life in the right way (whatever that may respectively mean to any one), or at least in the best way you can. And in many respects, that is a golden road.
Living in a cave isn't really living IMO: I think it has as many illusions and allures as living in the wind and the weather.
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Re: Kundalini
Fri, October 19, 2007 - 4:24 PMApparently one is supposed to set aside about 5-7 years to prepare for the awakening of the kundalini, make sure all routes are cleared away and you have a higher purpose for such practice. I don't think that is true for everyone, but I have heard those numbers before.
When I started to feel a completly physical and energetic sensation of a orgasmic type energy in my spine, I wasn't even aiming for it nor did I know exactly what kundalini was about. So I wasnt expecting anything, I was just playing around with warm currents in my body. Theres no real way to describe it, but it seems to enhance all senses.
So maybe a good idea would to assume nothing, and stray away from practice that is completly goal oriented. Also don't waste energy.
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Re: Kundalini
Fri, October 19, 2007 - 4:19 PMI am certain that the goal of kundalini yoga is not psychedelic experiences but rather the total integration of the Self. In my own experiences, yes there are fireworks along the way, but these can be a distraction. They are mileposts along the way but certainly not the end. It sounds to me that because you are seeking these as the ultimate aim of kundalini, that Shakti integration may continue to elude you. In addition, kundalini rising through the chakras is not necessarily the same thing as samadhi, which also arrives in various stages. Kundalini rising is not a guaranteed ticket to samadhi, and can cause a lot of problems if one isn't properly clear and ready to receive the energy. In fact, some eastern nonyogic energy practices believe kundalini prevents one from reaching samadhi.
Have you ever checked out www.swamij.com? He outlines very practical descriptions of both phenomenon: kundalini and samadhi.
There is a lot of evidence of samadhi experiences, and I know many people who've acheived this state. It is not something most people post about in detail on the internet. And it takes a great deal more practice than some basic 3HO classes or beginning hatha practices. I'm not saying this is where you're at, but I'm saying it's where many people are. Kundalini rising is a fairly advanced phenomenon, and only in rare cases does it rise to the crown right away. It takes years and years of concerted and dedicated practice to acheive this. Sometimes this work happens in one lifetime or over many. So spontaneous awakenings are really not spontaneous at all. The work was just done in some earlier life.
I can tell you from my own experience that you don't need to go into a cave to have psychedelic meditations or a first-hand taste of kundalini (although a cave might certainly help; then again, for some people it might hurt). I live in a city of millions, and have had my most intense energy experiences so far in crowded, bustling places. When the time is right, with regular practice, we can receive the grace of kundalini, if we're lucky!
And any expectations are sure to be blown by whatever experiences you do have. It's best I think to let go of these, because they can interfere with the actual flow of what 'is' happening. I am guessing that your seeking of a psychedelic experience may be obscuring your actual now experience, which is to be certain, the slow unfolding of the Self, since this is inevitable with yoga practice. Why not drop the expectations and just be where you're at happily?
Namaste,
~claude.
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Re: Kundalini /psychedelic experiences
Mon, October 22, 2007 - 7:49 PMSince someone was asking about psychedelic sexual experiences, I thought I might as well contribute, since I sometimes get these spontaneously.
I actually came here to check out this tribe since I was reading Strassman's "Spirit molecule," and he mentioned DMT's possible release during sex.
His descriptions sounded like the visions I sometimes experience (totally straight) during sex. I didn't use any particular technique per se, except to say i t would usually happen when I was most relaxed. I used to call it "sexual synesthesia."
The visions I get vary: psychedelic paisley designs (jewel-tones), visions of gems/treasure or flowers taking up my entire field of vision; and sometimes a silk room, like an opium den, vaguely occupied by shadowy figures who were expecting me. The silk room would occur pre-orgasm, and I would have to enter the room, and then it would vanish; while the other visions happened during. Oh, and once a vision of my lover lit-up, glowing, and other-worldly, something like an Alex Grey painting (which I was unaware of at the time.)
I explained my experiences once to Dr. V. Ramachandra, the brain researcher, when I later met him at Mind States. He said he has only met one other person with such visions, also a woman. He said he hadn't believed the other woman, until he met me; but now he felt the phenomenon was real, since our stories matched (i.e., sexual visions.)
I really had no idea this happened to other people, nor had any idea this might be an intent of yoga. I'm not sure it can be done intentionally; I think in that case you might just chase it away. But if yoga or meditation relaxes and focuses you, that might help in itself.
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Sun, January 27, 2008 - 4:03 PM
some clarities, and if you find this helpful, I write from my own direct practices, experiences, and awakenings
1.) Awakening has nothing to do with Kundalini or any of these experiences. It can happen to you if you never had any such experiences. Once awakening happens, it seems like it was a very simple thing, and I wonder why aren't more people waking up? It will happen whenever someone really wants to and is ready.
2.) Kundalini has many aspects. Even the Kundalini rising is very different for many people. It is really best to have a really good teacher... personally I can't recommend one good teacher unfortunately; though I've met many. And I personally really don't care about kundalini experiences anymore... they are not much more than masturbating for me. In fact, masturbating will wake up my kundalini too.... and rising my kundalini is also very orgasmic... they are one and the same for me.... except, yes, when the kundalini is rising, as it goes from chakra to chakra, my entire aura changes colors, as it rises through the sushumna and the mind's eye opens, I see literally even with my eyes open the two 4-petal chakra's of the ajna chakra... and my breath becomes perfectly equal from both nostrils... if I stay focused on my ajna and leave my eyes open, and I look at someones head, I can zoom into their brain and see it like an MRI machine, I can see the blood pumping etc, and I can zoom in and zoom out. There are many many many psycic phenomena... but personally to be in that state, I'm very neutral... I don't get excited about any experiences... it is really no big deal at all, any of these experiences... and if I get excited or feel they are big deal, I know I wouldn't be in that state in the first place. So, this stuff happens naturally with maturity. And after some years of playing with my kundalini, I'm throughout satisfied and have moved on beyond all these chakra, astral traveling, out of body, la lala stuff. It's just like when you are a child and you learn to play with your genitals... at some point you are done... and ready to move on with your life and journey.
3.) Samadhi... I'm really sick and tired of hearing people talking about samadhi and that they had this experience etc. My feeling is the 99.99999% of people, including even the spiritual teachers who claim to have the experience have not really had the samadhi experience. I can say I've been unfortunate enough to have had it, and it's something I avoid. Imagine just sitting and being tired in my bathroom, I'm looking at a spider crawling up a wall... all of a sudden I am the spider, looking out of its eyes and feeling its heart beating, feeling its intense energy.. and now I"m wondering how do I come back to myself? or sitting on a bench outside, holding a cup of coffee in my hand, relaxing while just gently gazing out towards a tree... all of a sudden I feel this intense upward pull... then I realize I'm having the experience of being the tree... the roots are sucking up all this water... and now I got to step out... or another time I'm sitting in front of an old man who seems very sweet, I feel very open with him... we are in a coffee shop... some music is playing in the background... all of a sudden everything in my surrounding appears to be coming from that old man... even the singer's voice in the music of the background seems to be him singing... I'm having the experience of being him and feeling everything through him... or meeting and talking with a friend... constantly having to remind myself who I am and realizing which experiences are of mine and which of others... It has taken so much practice for me to just experience myself as this local identity.
Now I've also experienced the big samadhi experience... they call it the Nirvikalpa Samadhi... this was really a true blessing I felt... one day I was sitting in my apartment in front of my laptop, my friend Simon was visiting and staying over night. All of a sudden I felt this spaciousness opening inside of me, inside my stomach I began to experience and infinitely expanding emptiness... as it began to expand I began to see and feel all of the planets, and further out universes, and kept going so far that the entirety of existence was just not even a spec particle. I looked out and noticed that "I" was really different. I said out lout "this is my laptop" and I noticed there's something missing... I said it again "this is my laptop"... I realized there was no difference inside of me of any of these words... no longer could i relate to the word "I" or "my" ... I fully felt like no body. I looked at my friend simon and I realized he is inside of me... he is part of me... I said to myself I am simon... and I realized this was as equally true as anything else. From then on, I was unable to feel embarrassed, unable to feel offended, even in a conversation where someone was upset with me about something, I felt unable to defend myself... who is there to defend? I was in this state for over 3 months constantly... I felt the oceanic energy of everything... the shakti of existence was flowing in and out of me orgasmically all the time. Though in my state of expansion it was such that, I could not care if I'd walk in front of a street and a car hit me... my expansion was so far beyond existence that existence meant nothing... eventually I was able to reduce my expansion to just within existence itself... here I experienced what people call "Brahma Vidya" i.e. reduced my expansion to match that of the existence, and hence I experienced the mind of Brahma... in this state I "KNEW" that every movement I made was in perfect harmony with the entirety of existence... no longer I would be careless about walking in front of a car and getting killed... there was a great order... and here I experienced what I called the "flow of consciousness" which I think the word for it is "vinyasa"
I had access to infinite knowledge about anything... if someone would just ask me any question, an answer would just be spoken from me... I had "FULLY" realized that I do not know, and will not know... I was completely sure of this... and hence my mind was like a mirror having realized it is empty, hence reflecting the consciousness/flow.
There was a BIG problem with this state... I could no longer work... I couldn't do analytical things... I made it through those months somehow and survived. I worked the next 2 years to just contract my consciousness... i.e. return to my precious ego-consciousness so that I could work and make a living and continue with life
I am SO GRATEFUL to be back in my ego-consciousness... except having all these experiences and realizations... I may appear to be in similar states as others... but when something happens.. my reactions are different... I truly have no fear of death, no fear to express my love, or risk my life... I'm calm inwardly always... and I'm quite enjoying the human experience... the body experiences...
In terms of other people having such experiences.... I do not have any words of guidance for anyone... I know that whomever really truly is willing to go there, they will... and NOTHING will stop them. And those that just wish to read books and talk and talk and talk and talk and fantasize, they will only do such much as window shopping.
Another thing... when these experiences where happening to me... they truly felt so insignificant, that I didn't bother telling anyone until it was really noticed by others and people began to ask and keep asking me... so i began to explain how I got to where I was
the ultimate goal is to just 'be', to just 'be' yourself... in a normal state... I guess sometimes we need to go and climb to mount everest and climb back down... that way when we are down on ground level... we can feel content... hence I have a feeling of 'no goalless" 'nothing to do' 'no where to go'... just experiences happening... and of course constantly learning
though I've also realized there is another interesting journey aside from this spiritual/samadhi/kundalini type of journey... that is the psychological journey... as human beings we need mother's love, father's love, lover's love, acknowledgment, etc etc... to learn to be self-sufficient and give yourself/myself all of these things... and also do this while in relationships of all sorts with people... that's something that also causes for a lot more growing up and learning to be clear with one's own energy
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Re: Kundalini
Fri, October 19, 2007 - 3:03 PMIk, you should visit the Shaktipat tribe. I'm certain you will find more answers you're seeking:
tribes.tribe.net/shaktipatsupport
peace,
~claude.
ps. I still haven't had time to sit and sort out thoughts to email to you. Sorry, I'm still integrating. Hopefully this weekend it will solidify.
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Re: Kundalini
Fri, October 19, 2007 - 5:15 PMOne additional thought is that you should read Patanjali's Yoga Sutras if you haven't already. And if you have, it might be a good idea to go back and reread or try another translation until it clicks. There are many variations out there with different perspectives and interpretations, so it might take a few versions before you find one that resonates.
Simply put, the Yoga Sutras are a very plain and practical roadmap to samadhi. If you follow the practices outlined, you are sure to acheive it. (But it takes effort and time; so just enjoy where you are now and keep practicing, too.)
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Sat, October 20, 2007 - 2:50 AMthe mind can never understand something beyond it and the visceral experiences of drug induced psychosis pale into insignificance when compared to a natural high from kundalini arousal. they are in fact incomparable for several reasons. i could never adequately convey to you in words some quality that is irrefutably beyond words or that lies beyond your rational mind, emotional intelligence, memory or logic. when pure consciousness is experienced there is really nothing that can be said to illuminate it further.
the two sides of the coin are the sun and moon - the paradox of experience:
"we do not percieve the light of the sun by the light of the moon.
yes even the sun is itself illuminated by its own radiance."
furthermore a drug-induced experience although a welcome sign post to any student is nothing more than that, it is not the destination. whenever i encounter this type of debate it reminds me of the person with a spliff in their hand sitting under a signpost saying san francisco 1,000 miles. although it would be true to say that religion per se began as a direct result of man's experimentation with psychedellic substances and perhaps a strong desire to understand the primordial nature of one's existence. but people will react differently to any drug and this reaction may not be conducive to their well-being. others may react positively and see the experience as a finger pointing towards a more sublime state.
i can assure you that states of consciousness that defy description and rationalisation are attainable to those who are prepared to follow the right path and undergo the trials that are accompanied by rigourous self-examination. i am not sure that simply desiring an intense experience is synonymous with having a true experience.
knock and the door shall open, seek and ye shall find.
leonidas
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Re: Kundalini rising
Fri, January 25, 2008 - 1:43 PMOne can cultivate sexual energy through kundilini, but you have to be careful. If you focus too much energy in your lowest chakra, it can get stuck there, which will make it harder for you to get all the way to the top chakra. Also, you just don't want too much energy down there because it defeats the purpose of doing any types of techniques that raise your kundilini.
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