Okay, so I live in an area w/ a Yoga studio on every block - Arlington may be the only town in Mass that has more alternative health care practices than Dunkin Donuts. So I thought I'd ask my local town web-list which local yoga studios they would recommend and this was part of one of the emails that I got:
"I'd recommend against Kundalini as a place to start Kundalini yoga is all about letting loose energy that is coiled at the base of the spine
and I'm not convinced this is supposed to be let loose (many people experience schizophrenic episodes from Kundalini - not cool - google
"kundalini awakening" to read about it)"
Any thoughts or feedback on this?
"I'd recommend against Kundalini as a place to start Kundalini yoga is all about letting loose energy that is coiled at the base of the spine
and I'm not convinced this is supposed to be let loose (many people experience schizophrenic episodes from Kundalini - not cool - google
"kundalini awakening" to read about it)"
Any thoughts or feedback on this?
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Re: Does Kundalini = schizophrenic episodes???
Tue, April 1, 2008 - 11:11 PMShort answer -- no. Just practice with a teacher.
Long answer -- I started my yoga practice with Kundalini. I've been practicing for years and have been to hundreds of classes. I love it. I've seen people get blissed out, I've seen people release years of pent-up emotions, and I've seen people get very positive results. I've experienced all of that myself as well, but I've never ever seen a 'schizophrenic episode.' I have heard the stories, but they seem to involve people who have no guidance or who do too much too quickly. And the people whotell the stories the most are usually those who have never actually practiced Kundalini yoga themselves.
I would suggest finding a class with a good teacher, however. That way, you'll get a good introduction to the practice and also get the most benefit. Think of it like exercise. If you never swam before, would you just jump into a swimming pool? Of course not, because you'd want someone to teach you how to swim. The same goes for Kundalini yoga. It helps to have someone teach you the basics so you can build from there. -
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Wed, April 2, 2008 - 11:16 AMAgreed Geo.
And I think that email response from whoever to Stephanie was from someone who doesn't really know any better: probably a Hatha or Bikram drone.
weird you posted at 11:11 last night and I read this post at 11:11
this happens all the time with me
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Wed, April 2, 2008 - 11:54 AMv, you should check out the Energy Awareness tribe. there's a thread about the times.
chiflow.tribe.net/thread/c5...2f85bbb0db
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Re: Does Kundalini = schizophrenic episodes???
Wed, April 2, 2008 - 6:42 PMYeah, I've read about it before here and there: it's been happening for like 3 years now.
Apparently I am a Galactivated Guru God
or something.
:P
Merci,
~V~
(wanders off seeking cookies)
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Re: Does Kundalini = schizophrenic episodes???
Tue, April 8, 2008 - 3:31 AM~~~ many people experience schizophrenic episodes from Kundalini ~~~
In quite a positive manner, I can see that swapping between two modes of us being us could in some ways be a characteristic of awakening.
Yesterday I had a question about a part of the Rainbow Dream Vision of Hope......
...... what do you mean by "rainbow dancing serpent wheels"?
I have always felt that refers to our chakra energy system beginning to function properly.
~~~ The various winged serpent wheels will begin to turn, to dance once again and when they do the rainbow lights will be seen ... ~~~
www.worldgathering.net/vision.html
I think our chakra system is in standby mode because we have learned not to be oursleves due to the suppression of our true nature in our present civilisation.
The shutdown and imbalance of our chakra system seemed to be refered to in early, authentic crop patterns in the UK. These crop patterns also seemed to indicate that our chakras ... our flow of energy was inhibited because of our learning to be too much left-brain dominant, instead of having ideas balanced by intuition, instinct, and spontaneous expression.
When people become more in alignment with what they truly think and feel about life on Earth today, the chakra system will start to function properly. That's my feeling, and I seemed to be closely involved with some of the craft making the original, authentic crop patterns in the fields of southern England ....
~~~~~~ So, isn't it likely we could fluctuate to some extent, occasionally, between two sets of mind and personality. Between who dysfunctional society has trained us to be, and who we more naturally are?
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Re: Does Kundalini = schizophrenic episodes???
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 2:37 PMSchizophrenia is the lack of a filter between what images and sounds that are in your head and the ones that are outside... It is not actually a disease... I am Native American.... All Traditional Natives are considered Pseudo-Schizophrenic, Because they are able to see and talk to spirits and recognize the spirits in all things... Remember that...
The problem is the lack of control over the filter...
Many budding psychics go through a very similar experience as their minds awaken...
If Kundalini is done correctly there is no negative physical or mental damage...
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 6:58 AMKundalini uncovers a lot of things that already exist inside. . . under certain circumstances just about every human on earth could be manipulated to uncover their schizophrenia. The reason that it is often associated with KY is that many practicioners come to KY to soothe out hurts and the hurts are sometimes tied to mental unease just below the surface. . . -
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 10:06 AMI've observed that where kundalini flows
the central nervous system works a bit faster, or is slightly (sometimes profoundly) overdriven,
and sometimes people can't handle working with such sensitivity.
what they choose to do from their, is up to them.
I've seen a lot of people working so hard to reprogram their psyche,
as if kundalini itself is working the magic.
Kundalini perks up like a cobra when a human drums with both hands.
All things connected, these beats beating out old formats my hands spin gears my insides align everything is flowing I am purified.
We do this for the whole, forward. It all makes perfect sense. I hope I wasn't too vague.
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 5:13 PMIndeed... It can be very much like taking psychedelics or... have any other enlightening experience...
This is part of the healing process.. and can be difficult for some.. which is why they need extra support and guidance when they come to these troubled areas...
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 10:50 AMWould you mind writing the psychiatric hospitals that inject me with Halidol and force feed me Abilify, Lamictal, Seroquel, and Lithium the difference between Pseudo-Schizophrenia and Schizoaffective Bipolar disorder. I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. -
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 11:47 AMI get pissy
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 1:49 PMI have...maybe not yours... but unfortunately the Universities and University Hospitals, Hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies are stuck in a revolving door...
As soon as you start Med-School you start to get bombed with all the 'gifts' from pharmaceutical companies... The Pharms pay for funding at the Universities, which in turn teach what the Pharms tell them too... It is easier to get funding to say research the benefits of a Pharmacological agent than that of a Nature Phyto-chemical... As soon as you get a practice or internship you begin to rely on all those 'free samples' that the PHARMY drug pushers keep giving you... If you do a bit of research you will quickly find that the Pharmaceutical companies control the US Medical System... Along with the Insurance Companies...that have no business in deciding if you need treatment or not... And it all starts at School... at the Universities and University Hospitals (Teaching Hospitals)...
The same is true for Chemists like myself. Though I was studying for Bio-Chemistry, and wanted to work in Neuro-Chemistry in particular... In other words I would have had to deal with both the Medical and Pharm industries... Maybe Another time I will go into this...
Anyway... Sorry to hear that... My suggestion... Get off the Meds...
If you e-mail me... I can recommend some things... I would rather know how you feel than what the "doctors" tell you is wrong...
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Tue, May 13, 2008 - 7:52 AMTraditionally one is supposed to start with hatha and move gradually towards raja or kundalini by various routes. but eh, human life is not neatly arranged in such a purely academic sense and i encourage anyone to experiment to good effect. there is of course a lot of bullshit talked about "YOGA" - sometimes just from an egotistical, point-scoring angle. Simply put yoga is yoga, you are either doing it right or doing it wrong, it is not like anything else, for example if you feel bad it may be it's working, while if you feel good it's probably not working for YOU.
yes, sexual contact with yogas can awaken kundalini and can be dangerous for mental and emotional health. but you should have known that before you even started.
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:54 AMNamaste!
All advanced practises should be done with gentleness, in a relaxed condition and under the strong supervision of a very experienced teacher. I work in an therapy centre for people with addictions and related disorders (such as schizophrenia et al). In my practise I use any techniques from the Kundalini Yoga (Yogi Bhajan). For example, I teach the Kirtan Kriya and the Breath of Fire, 2 techniques with a strong kundalini stimulating effect. But there are only positive results - - no negative side-effects. And any participants have a schizophrenia (ICD 10) diagnosis. They reported from positive feelings: more konzentration, more energy, positive flow, centering, focus etc. I have keep records about my work and published it in any writings.
Greetings,
Dr. Holger
P.S. Don't think I tell you quake stories. I am a health professional and hold a MD and PhD in Alternative Medicines.
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Fri, May 23, 2008 - 10:26 PMIt seems to me that you might find my experience with
Vipassana yoga and my PTSD to have a lesson with
regard to "getting prepared" and working your way into things.
The most powerful thing that I have found to help with my PTSD is a
Buddhist meditation technique called Vipassana. But you really need
your "Thresh hold Point" stabilized before attempting it. I tried to go
to their ten day retreat before doing so. I could not take it. To learn
this type of yoga takes at least ten straight days of meditating, at
their retreat, under their guidance.
After some discussion with advisers and friends, I decided that
it was a question of my "stability". So I went back to work on
my "foundation". Changes in diet and nutritional supplements
along with educating myself about common toxic chemical
exposures (so I could avoid them). Then I also did some therapy
with "Eye Movement Desensitizing Reprocessing" techniques,
called EMDR, for short.
I was then able to return and complete the "sit", as they call it.
Vipassana
www.dhamma.org/
The nutritional supplements for schizophrenic illnesses are rather
complex, because of misinformation. Be very careful about your
medications, if you are on any. Stopping medications, "Cold Turkey"
can be very very dangerous. You mist have help from a licensed
doctor and slowly ... very slowly, reduce your medication dosage, over
time. Do not attempt to stop taking any such medications with out such
help and support.
One example are the oils
such as flax seed or hemp for the Omega's. Plastic bottles tend
to leach phthalates and other chemicals into the oil. There are
reports of plastic leaching such chemicals into cheese, of which
is solid and kept cold.The phthalates were at first thought to be
lindane, when the CDC detected it in people. Lindane is a
watered down nerve gas that was used for body lice.
Since I can not always buy or afford organic food, I use the
Environmental Working Groups shopping guide. They tested 50
common (not organic) fruits and veggies and listed them from
the most toxic to the least. You can down load it for free at
www.ewg.org
Blessings,
TR
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Re: Does Kundalini = schizophrenic episodes???
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 2:15 PMHi Stephanie,
Practicing kundalini yoga and chakra meditation can cause both kriyas, which are powerful jolts of kundalini energy that can cause something akin to a very short seizure, but it doesn't normally last more than a second, and usually only during meditation. After years of practice, people who consistently practice meditation using the techniques in kundalini yoga and others, may go into super conscious states called samadhi. Especially when a practitioner first enters samadhi, they may appear to go into trance or coma like states and may not have very much awareness of the physical, but this is, again, considered a good thing ;)
To reitarate some of the above posters, it is not recommended to practice kundalini yoga without some instruction from a teacher. My teacher always used to say that if you are really interested in spirituality, yoga and/or meditation, that you should find a teacher who is enlightened, powerful, and funny. If they're not funny, than they're not enlightened. To tell if a teacher is enlightened, you should see a subtle, diffuse gold light around them when they meditate, or sometimes just when they're around. If you go see a teacher and you feel that you can't understand what they're talking about, and the people their are dissociated and confused, and you feel uncomfortable, that is not the right place for you, and you definitely should not force yourself to keep going.
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Sat, June 7, 2008 - 11:11 PMMan has one mind which is unknown to him. It is the original mind. when this great mind stirs, the little ego is disturbed and starts a fight. I would not call this :|::|| schisophrenia :|:||| -
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Sat, June 7, 2008 - 11:14 PMYou have no psyche to reprogram. The psyche is an alien element that kills you. Freud studied the wrong thing, poor fellow. Also you need no Kundalini on the path, much as the path is to get rid of it. Let us say that Kundalini is one of the things to get rid of on the path. in order for the path to be short. Astavakra Samhita goes further. It says that only idiots practice meditation.
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Sat, June 7, 2008 - 11:17 PMIt is quite improbable that you have any yoga in the area. even in India yoga is rare. Yoga already means that there is an illuminated saint at the core. Now illuminated saints do not pop out around every block, Kolkata or Tel Aviv or Mexico city. If even in India saints are in fact rare, in America they simply might not exist at all. What you have done is what the devil told you to do: turn yoga into business and degrade it to sport and belly dancing. That is not the intent. The masters are hidden, some of them are not but even those are hidden, if you know what I mean. Yoga is no Hollywood.
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Sat, June 7, 2008 - 11:24 PMI doubt that in whole America there is a single yoga studio. I know that you never had astrologers, apart from Navajo and Hopi, so you probably do not have yoga. It is not in your culture. I never heard that there is anybody meditating in America apart from perhaps scattered shamans, and even that is questionable. Meditation is rare and pertains to Buddhas and avatars. sitting and trying to attain to concentration (dharana) is not meditation. If gurus have one student that achieved to meditation, it is a blessing. It does not happen in Europe. It happens in India. I have never heard of someone meditating in Europe. There are people sitting on their mats, but that is of course nothing. What they experienced is partial rising of negativities like muddy water stirred. There are technical terms for this. A good result is to feel like Jesus Christ on the cross. But such traumatic virtual deaths are quite unnecessary. There is much exaggeration. Where do you find a mild air current in an ideal cave? Om sakshi aham. -
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Sun, June 8, 2008 - 3:05 AMWith respect 22, I would not be so quick to pass such categorical judgements. All the cool kids left India last Yuga ;)
But seriously, I am not entirely certain what your criteria are for qualifying an Illumined saint, but my understanding is that if a yogi is able to merge their mind with Nirvana in the super-conscious state of Nirvikalpa Samadhi, though there are higher levels of Enlightenment, and they are willing to teach you as a student, that pretty much qualifies them as a teacher.
Yoga and spirituality are not part of any one particular culture, but are adapted to different cultures by Buddhas, or root gurus, who bring the teachings and figure out how to integrate them into whatever society/culture happens to be the flavor of the month. While it is true that buddhism, spirituality, and meditation are larger parts of Indian, Tibetan, and many other eastern cultures, that does not mean that students or teachers who practice or excel are confined to those cultures, and in fact there have been some very high teachers and saints that have incarnated in the west. Adi Da Samraj is one, and my teacher's teacher, who is no longer living, was another, who, by the way did in fact live very near Hollywood for a time. There are others.
I teach meditation in San Francisco, and my students will have the great fortune to have an opportunity to attend a darshan with my teacher if they are earnest and stick around for a while. While it is indeed rare to find an Illumined teacher, it is, thankfully, not impossible for the earnest seeker. -
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Re: Does Kundalini = schizophrenic episodes???
Sun, June 8, 2008 - 2:50 PM22 is a wandering madman alt.
Enjoy the fictions: our narratives tell us about ourselves as we clamor about onstage
~V~
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Sun, June 8, 2008 - 9:10 PMIn a compassionate world of understanding (and some self-understanding), there are teachers and there are students, each at their own level and teaching / learning what they are each able. Ideally, they do not attempt to teach very far beyond their own level, but people will think and do what they will. In any case (in my opinion), there is no one way, but paths that are more or less correct for us, and different paths for that are more or less correct for others, both as students and as teachers. In the same sense, I doubt that there is any one spiritual absolute that most will know, and certainly not one that all will agree upon in the ideas that they hold of it. It is mostly beyond our ideas, and so the further we each are, individually or collectively), from it, the more our ideas on this tend to diverge into exclusivity instead of inclusivity. That's characteristic of an ego. To casually speak of that which is uncommon, is in error only when it becomes an exaggerated absolute, not a general direction in which (hopefully) many are heading.
In the dis-compassionate world of less understanding (and still less self-understanding), there are those who mistake a good direction for an all or nothing goal. This is human being's exaggerated (and here false) sense of hierarchy summoned to a polarized mind's creation of a problem, not an awareness of the continuum of God that exists, more or less, within each person's ability to more deeply understand it. In my opinion, Kundalini is indeed a place of extraordinary awareness and an experience of Divine energy, but since most of us ordinary seekers cannot know what another is experiencing, or has experienced, I wouldn't presume to make any distinctions about others based on any criteria other than my own awareness and inner experience (or at least not without some bit of genuine omniscience). Namaste
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