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Greetings all!
I wonder if anyone can share their experiences with literal inner images of serpant energy and snakes themselves in relation to kundalini?
In particular with reference to the images from egypt and elsewhere of a serpant passing over the top of the head with it's head projected forwards over the person's own head.
I assume this is symbolic of energy flow that happens to resemble a snake.. I just wonder why snakes are specifically used.
I am well aware of the fear mechanisms and so called reptile brain.. I get the sense that there is possibly more than one type of transformation that can be symbolised by such energy as that which is labelled kundalini, I am exploring whether I am resisting full connection for a reason that is simply fear of the unknown or whether it is actually that I know perfectly well what 'happens' when this is fully activated and actually do not want it.
Many thanks,
Nick
I wonder if anyone can share their experiences with literal inner images of serpant energy and snakes themselves in relation to kundalini?
In particular with reference to the images from egypt and elsewhere of a serpant passing over the top of the head with it's head projected forwards over the person's own head.
I assume this is symbolic of energy flow that happens to resemble a snake.. I just wonder why snakes are specifically used.
I am well aware of the fear mechanisms and so called reptile brain.. I get the sense that there is possibly more than one type of transformation that can be symbolised by such energy as that which is labelled kundalini, I am exploring whether I am resisting full connection for a reason that is simply fear of the unknown or whether it is actually that I know perfectly well what 'happens' when this is fully activated and actually do not want it.
Many thanks,
Nick
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Re: serpant
Sun, February 15, 2009 - 4:57 PMI told just such a story to Eurynome (Australia is her habitat).
The Snake is associated with the letter Teth of the Hebrew language.
Check the Kabbalah tribe. 9th letter. 9 months in gestation.
See how that is intimately linked with the sexual process?
It means, in part, the subjugation of the male impulses to the female,
those dedicated to the sexual flow. Also, it means, in the imagery of the
Tarot, the female holding the lion's jaws open, submission to the female.
Limiting the destructive effects of male energy gone wild.
We males need to be as resistant to unleashing our desires as much as
women are. Resistance, Limitation, is an aspect of Binah.
Like the new photo.
This Path in Christian kabbalah is between Chesed and Geburah,
The King at War and the King at Peace, ruling from his palace.
Old symbolism. It also is a way to keep Leviathan below certain levels.
I don't know what rituals or secret wisdom the East uses to effect the same
as what is explicable in the West, but certainly it isn't as easily found as it is
on this side.
So many in the West who have taken up the Eastern approach still are with
their women, physically, and yet do their best not to "discharge".
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Sun, February 15, 2009 - 5:10 PMOne of the possible reasons (I hope you don't mind me going a bit away from your topic)
that some men may have been impelled to be more likely to have gone gay, regardless
of whether there is a genetic mistake or some other reason applicable to the structure
of how men and women are formed, is that perhaps to some degree women have been
too resistant. This is not true across the board. Women naturally want long sustained
relationships. However you would say this arose, it is true. Men should be less superficial
and not remark about the appearance of their women. So long as we chase appearances,
we will be likely to leave those we should be spending more time loving, in search of someone
to placate our physical desires as men. Men should be far more resistant. If we do so, we
will be more able to discuss with women and enamor them with our natural charm.
Men should enjoy foreplay also. Build your fortitude. It's quality, not quantity. And pursue
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Sun, February 15, 2009 - 6:16 PMHey Nick
As soon as I start tapping a drum, or my knees
kundalini shoots up my spine and I rise like a cobra.
wow. bliss. then I play like maaaaaad.....
Usually twitch, stick my tongue out, make weird noises.
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Wed, February 18, 2009 - 5:26 PMThanks IK, too many hours in front of a digital editing system.. not enough cow bell.. lol
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Mon, February 16, 2009 - 12:37 AMNamaste Nick
I think the use of a snake, is because of the similarity between a crawling snake and the shape of kundalini energy when it flows through
the Sushama Nadi ( or path of conciousness). I dont think , the energy appears like a snake. Its more of a metaphor.
I read an english translation of Dnyaneshwari www.hinduweb.org/home/dhar...hirvaikar/
Dnyaneshwari is a marathi translation of Bhagwad Geeta by Saint Dnyaneshwar en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnyaneshwar , with additional articles on Meditation , Enlightenment and especially kundalini.
It this book , its mentioned that , when the "Ego" sleeps , the "Soul" awakens. I.e If we consider everything that we feel , see, hear, smell, hear as "Maya" or illusion, our Ego sleeps, for it is not threatened, excited or bored by any event or circumstance. In this moment of "No-Thought"
The energy at the base of the spine rises up through the Sushma Nadi and reaches the Sahashra Chakra ( The chakra of universal conciousness), The movement of kundalini through the spine resembles that of the snake. Hence the symbolism like "Lord Shiva is shown with the King Cobra around his neck" meaning he has tamed the Kundalini.
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Wed, February 18, 2009 - 5:19 PMHey Sachin,
Thanks for the info.
I do know that the mind (at least my mind) works with metaphoric symbology (perhaps soul-mind) and so, really my question (to myself), I see, is more about the nature of energy and its connection to inner symbology than specifically kundalini.
Thankyou for the direction, that is a helpful description of that perspective.
Namaste!
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Mon, February 16, 2009 - 1:06 PMgreetings nick!
to me... who is very unschooled ... it is just what i see ... white cobras have been coming into me for a few years ... sometimes with white bird a somewhat scary infusion occurs.
but ... as i began to research a bit ... i saw that this theme occurs with in every tradition i can find books on ... and that is a limited statistic.
the spine is to me like a cobra ... attached to the skull .. the main nerve plexus ... and perhaps the cobra has "wings" or an aura ... in refrence to the hood.
however it is an energy of purity and potency
it is "poisonous" it is "curative"
it is devoured in egypt by the peacock, and the ibis
which are symbolic of high wisdom, and purity as well.
pure energy
pure consciousness
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Wed, February 18, 2009 - 5:25 PMHey Stella,
The reason for my resistance to this idea (not your ideas, the kundalini, bird <> snake idea) is in part this:
The spine energy runs from the lower pole of the body and connects to the higher pole of imagination and creation.
The lower pole is, in a sense, the coarser energy, the base drives.
Many teachers no doubt comment that the 'lower' energies must be tamed and/or squashed, giving way to the higher energies..
However, in my experience it is more that the lower energies are just as necessary as the higher (lower and higher being an illusion in itself) and so in a sense it is not so much that they are to be squashed but accepted and merged as one (in your worldview ultimately).
The fear I have of this energy fully merging within myself seems to be from a sensation of losing wisdom to base drives whereas in fact I intuit that nothing is lost.
Ah well.. as always the answer is found within and I already know it.. LOL
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Wed, February 18, 2009 - 5:26 PMbeware of all points in the spectrum in which you divide.
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Unsu...
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Thu, February 19, 2009 - 10:27 AMhi nick! :)
"The fear I have of this energy fully merging within myself seems to be from a sensation of losing wisdom to base drives whereas in fact I intuit that nothing is lost. "
IMVHO ... it is already merged in the next dimension. ... I am similar to a crystal ... a beacon integrating the pure light into this 3rd Dimension. ... coming thru me the pure essence of prime creator ... and i am an expression of the myriad of beauty ... the subtle radiance's between the notes. "rainbow warrior"
i resonate .. that the heart center is the most important ... the center seems to hold the gravity of all matter ... ie: planets, and stars... as above, so below, i am a product of the earth, and the heavens. ... therefore .. as their child! ... it is for me, equally important to work with both currents ... the upward and downwards spirals of energy.
but .. i enjoy a good romp in the bass drives now and again ... and all the drives for that matter. :)-
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Unsu...
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Wed, February 18, 2009 - 5:48 PMI have experienced a literal image upon waking abruptly and seeing a coiled snake striking intensely right over my partners head. it was so real I had difficultly falling back to sleep and had to look on the covers etc. calm my heart down all that. our relationship did end not too long after that...
never figured it out.
any one, any one??
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Thu, February 19, 2009 - 7:56 AMThere is lots of differences in between theory & practical .
I am here openly to ch angle any or all so called Gurus.
Come and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Thu, February 19, 2009 - 8:26 AMHi Madan,
Thankyou for your assistance.
What is your perspective on perfection and becoming?
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Thu, February 19, 2009 - 9:07 AMas one
we are perfect.
remember nick that you are just a cell in a brain.
it's our brain that is perfect and becoming.
(not the human brain, but the collective brain)
bliss,
right there in the moment.
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Thu, February 19, 2009 - 10:25 AMNamaste Yogi Madan ji ,
I have read a lot of your articles on tribe, and they are all very informative and extremely helpful to me.
They have given us all great knowledge about the power of kundalini and the discipline which goes into controlling this power. However on this post, I feel, "challenging" is an aspect of ego, it is the pride which comes from intellectual knowledge which leads you to challenge. Isn't enlightenment about forgetting the ego for the soul has no pride, no intellect, no feelings, no emotions....for it is the universe, the everything...the one unity which has always been one and always will be one.
Intellect & Ego
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intellect is required by the ego to grow its power, to reason things out in the physical world. ego is required for physical survival for competing. earning respect in society is also a power for the ego.unless we forget the ego, unless we let go of the needs of the ego, how can we attain moksha?
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Sat, March 7, 2009 - 8:19 PMHi Nick, Hope this isn't too far off topic, but the late popular mythologist Joseph Campbell wrote on this subject. Since I couldn't find my copy of his seminal work "Hero with a Thousand Faces" where he talks about serpent symbols in some detail, I have to settle for an excerpt from the book and TV interviews he had with Bill Moyers, "The power of Myth". Here goes:
Moyers: But Genesis continues: ''Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to
eat?'' The man said, ''The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree,
and I ate.'' Then the Lord God said to the woman, ''What is this that you have done?'' The woman
said, ''The serpent beguiled me, and I ate.''
You talk about buck passing, it starts very early.
Campbell: Yes, it has been tough on serpents. The Bassari legend from West Africa continues in
the same way. ''One day Snake said, 'We too should eat these fruits. Why must we go hungry?'
Antelope said, 'But we don't know anything about this fruit.' The Man and his wife took some of
the fruit and ate it. Unumbotte came down from the sky and asked, 'Who ate the fruit?' They
answered, 'We did.' Unumbotte asked, 'Who told you that you could eat that fruit' They replied,
'Snake did,' '' It is very much the same story.
Moyers: What do you make of it— that in these two stories the principal actors point to someone
else as the initiator of the Fall?
Campbell: Yes, but it turns out to be the snake. In both of these stories the snake is the symbol of
life throwing off the past and continuing to live.
Moyers: Why?
Campbell: The power of life causes the snake to shed its skin, just as the moon sheds its shadow.
The serpent sheds its skin to be born again, as the moon its shadow to be born again. They are
equivalent symbols. Sometimes the serpent is represented as a circle eating its own tail. That's an
image of life. Life sheds one generation after another, to be born again. There is something
tremendously terrifying about life when you look at it that way. And so the serpent carries in
itself the sense of both fascination and the terror of life.
Furthermore, the serpent represents the primary function of life, mainly eating. Life
consists in eating other creatures. The serpent is a traveling alimentary canal, that's about all it is.
And it gives you that primary sense of shock, of life in its most primal quality. There is not
arguing with that animal at all. Life lives by killing and eating itself, casting off death and being
reborn, like the moon. This is one of the mysteries that these symbolic, paradoxical forms try to
represent.
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Re: serpant
Sun, March 8, 2009 - 10:45 AMThis works for both the Kundalini thread and this serpent one:
tribes.tribe.net/kabbalah/...66ee7f91c5
The interweaving of the snakes around the kundalini energy is the best thing to note.
Note how the snakes become parts of each other. This reflects certain things in kabbalah
and in the ideas of sushumna, ida and pingala. It was one snake to begin with. The pillars
intermix. The creation of duality is highly interesting to investigate. The ascent of kundalini
energy is a very spiritual thing. I do think that one can achieve this alone, by private study,
but there are forms of psychological aid. All depends on the approach, eastern, western.
I'll look for some threads that might describe the chakras (since I am mostly unversed in them),
and see how well they mirror western concepts. It would be a very good unification project.
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